May 29, 2004

  • Thanks for the posts so far.  Dara, good point about taking a step back about Michael Moore.  I’ve actually been intending to acknowledge that his negativity isn’t role modeling behavior either.  Recently, Kerry began attacking Bush’s policies in Iraq, but that naturally got thrown back at him, since his stance on most issues is apparently similar to Bush’s. 


    I have this philosohpy that people should not criticize others, but promote their own ideas.  I realize, I do criticize college a lot, but I always try to recognize that the people who run schools are most likely good people.  I just believe the product of their work isn’t the best for our nation’s young adults.  And, I go ahead and propose my ideas, rather than just bashing others.  Who is John Kerry, except for the alternative to Bush?  That’s a great question.  My response to that, is John Kerry is a person who has not upset the rest of the world through words and actions, while George W. Bush has.  It appears Kerry is taking the stance that he wants to restore America’s appearance around the world, and to me, as a person who has spent the last 6 months abroad in Africa, that’s become an important issue to me.  It would be nice if the election was one of Kerry vs. Bush, instead of Bush, vs. No-Bush.  However, the no-bush vote isn’t merely a judgement on Bush, it is supporting something.  It is supporting liberal policies, even if they aren’t the policies that Kerry will bring about.  Voting no-Bush, even if Kerry isn’t much better, is still a vote that we want to take care of the environment, the homeless, the unemployed, the uneducated, the elderly, and re-gain our respect around the world.  Although Michael Moore’s 100% anti-Bush tone merely encourages judgement, I believe, as a marketing tool, that’s what Americans respond to, and therefor, it is necessary.  Perhaps, once Bush is out of office, Moore will ease off the Republicans, and he most likely will turn his fury to the Democrats.  In that respect, he is no being judgemental on partisan lines, or, he is not just promoting anti-Bush because it’s the cool thing to do, he’s promoting the fierce questioning of all who are in charge, something that the media does not do with as much tenacity as Moore.


    In politics, we’ve come to deal with people not really being people.  Most of us have never met a politician, so we throw around this heavy language of hatred towards politicians.  Until politicians begin to sound like people, and acknowledge their imperfections, we may continue to see the unfortunate products of uncontrolled criticism.


    Topic: For my effort to change college education, I try to make my criticism controlled.  I blame nobody for the poor products of a college education.  What I do say, is that the products of college (students who are apathetic, jaded, depressed, confused, frustrated, etc.) are merely unintended consequences of a traditional form of education.  While the origins of college were probably innovative for the time, and made sense for the time, college in the year 2004, (where the average freshman hasn’t developed the internal-motivation for learning, and the average graduate has no real world understanding of the world because they’ve spent the past 4 years in the college bubble,) is in serious need of remodeling.  We need to look at what purpose college should have today. 


    And, that’s my question for everyone.  What is the purpose of college in the year 2004.  What should the purpose of college be in the year 2004?  What are the products of college in the year 2004?  What should the products of college be in the year 2004?  Your thoughts, please…


    Oh…and by the way…for those of you new to my site…I’m leaving South Africa this evening.  It’s 1:20am as i write this, i fly out of Cape Town at 3pm to Johannesburg, then from there to Madrid, and by 3pm on Monday, Eastern Standard Time, I will be at JFK airport, back home, Long Island, New York.  This culminates my 6 wonderful months in South Africa, and essentially rounds up my first year after college.  I still remember blogging back in Nov. about the topics I’m still writing about, and about the excitement I had for going abroad.  It seems like it could have been a few days ago, as it always does, however, I have grown a lot.  I do not even wish to try right now to see how I have changed, and to recount all the things I have done


    (world’s highest bungy jump, 21-day backpacking trip w/ underprivilaged township kids, leanred to sail, rode an ostrich, went microlighting, lived in Cape Town, went kayak surfing in January, kissed girls from 3 countries (Belfast Ireland, England, and South Africa), went cliff diving, haggled for crafts and painting in African markets, helped a 78-year old woman feed 500 hungry township dogs, spent a day with a gay hypnotic therapist who had his own tv show in Australia, instructed a 7-day Lovelife program (the largest Aids awareness program in S. Africa, possibly the world), learned to lead-rock climb and went bouldering, went to a wine and cheese tasting and got driven home by the kindness of a stranger more sober than I, stayed at a game park where I saw many zebras and giraffes up close and personal and went quad biking around the park, pet a cheetah,  began to follow rugby, learned about the human rights atrocities in Zimbabwe, witnessed some of the most spectacular beaches i have ever seen in my 22 years, learned to roll a kayak, saw penguins, saw traditional Zulu and Xhosa dancing, ate all sorts of traditional South African foods, evacuated a dead man from the mountains, went to my friend’s grandmothers 90th birthday party (just tonight!) and, last but certainly not least, almost completed a book about the need for higher education reform).


    ok…well, there was a small taste of some of the things i’ve done.  i guess, the point is, while the world never seems to change all that much, as a person, time changes us all.  and i’m proud to say, i haven’t wavered one bit on my life’s philosophy of making the most of every day, and to push the limits of what one person can do.  i’m both scared and excited of where the next 6 months will lead me.


    anyways…for no charge, (except hopefully about $15 once my book is done and published) i want to offer my services as a “teacher.”  I have no qualifications, except my recent experiences.  You don’t have to pay tuition, but any questions you have about anything, from South Africa culture, to Outward Bound, from backpacking culture, to writing, don’t hesitate to ask.  And keep in mind, any answer I give is only based no my experience, just as the teachings of any teacher are based on their experience alone.  So, I formally begin this class, Thoughts on Life and the World 101, professor Dan Lilienthal.  No grades, no tests, no assignments.  Just the exchanging of ideas between self-motivated learners, where I too am a student, as much as a teacher.

Comments (10)

  • Woah, cool, this all seems really interesting…

    Although I am really a boring person with no introspective perspective to offer, and one who not only doesn’t live in the USA but won’t be going to college for awhile and who just discovered your xanga today.

    But anyways I just want you to know that from this one entry it seems like what you’re doing is really cool.

  • Hi, Dan. I don’t think we can get controversy into schools because schools are by nature too afraid of it. They have to avoid lawsuits and all the headaches involved in dealing with unhappy parents. (There is the fear that if we teach children about the bad things that exist in the world, they will learn to do those bad things. If we keep them ignorant of evil, then they won’t learn to be evil.) 

    Since public schools educate the children of the crowd, they are bound to try to please the crowd. The only way to please everyone, of course, is to attempt to avoid anything that offends *anyone* (which is exactly what schools do by removing everything offensive from textbooks and school libraries). Censorship is alive and well in schools.

    For these reasons, I think the most meaningful education is the one that we get outside of school, where we might actually run into people who are free to disagree with us publically.

  • And to answer your above question, I think that in order to improve education, we have to begin at the bottom. The problems of students not understanding the practicality of their classes, having no understanding of the real world, and no internal drive for learning begin way back in preschool. College should not have to teach those things (just like college should not have to teach basic reading and writing skills, as we hear more and more freshman-level college professors complaining every year). The main problem is as you say, that we take children out of the real world, and place them in classroom bubbles. We’ve had this setup for so long that our society now believes these bubbles *are* the real world, and we believe we can’t live without them. But we can’t educate children about the real world by removing them from it.

    College is for training people who are seeking specific skills, and who realize the full costs and benefits of acquiring those skills. (Most students who take out mortgage-sized loans to pay for their education have no idea how that debt may later haunt them). I don’t think it’s for people who don’t know “what they want to be” yet. We can’t buy our selfhood. That is only found by living for a while in the real world.

  • Oh what causes it? Not enough time in the world to anwser…

    Basically I hate caring because then people matter and when that happens they can hurt me.

    I have relatively bad ways of dealing with this which include poetry and cutting.

    I may be going to college eventually, definitaly can’t rule that out at my age, but have got several years to think about that.

    School have anything to do with it? I’d like to think so but I’m not certain how I can link statistics and astrophysics to depression.

    Anyways I’d like to talk to you at some point if you want, you seem really interesting, do you have aim or msn? It’s okay if you don’t want to though.

    Thanks eitherway.

  • Wow… your South Africa trip sounded amazing and I really hope you post more about it, including how you came about going on this trip (was it a study abroad stay?).  I agree completely with you on the Kerry vs Bush rather than Bush vs No-bush.  That’s the way that it should be!  But some of us are faced with the second option b/c we don’t have someone that rises to our standards for this election.  Kerry just happens to be the closest thing to what I would consider ideal (although I do think that Bush did have a little positive impact during his presidency).

    As for the topic, the purpose of college really depends on where you go.  Some schools don’t really care about their students and give high grades on mediocre work.  I have friends that are able to party all week and still get 4.0s.  The school I attend is more competitive and it is very hard to find time to party or anything like that during the school year.  I believe that schools should get more serious about giving a good education (with the right teachers).  College should be just as much about a social life (doesn’t mean partying) as much as an education.  Their goal should be to create highly-respected, well-mannered people.  After all, these people are going to be their representation of their school.  When a college is able to create a good person that is able to get a job easily, the college gets a good reputation!  People actually find out about it.

    However, I have seen too many people that are graduating from college that really don’t seem like they should be!  So in my opinion, there are some people that are really not prepared for the real world, but there are others that are ready to take on the adventure of life outside of their parents’ checkbook.  I just hope that these graduates were advised enough so that they are able to figure out where they should go for jobs, and insured that they went into the right field.

  • welcome to the blog ring (again?)

  • Copied from ganryu’s site: “Amen, Dan! Schooling ‘does not give us the tools to question’ and change the world. That is one of the biggest evils going. If school is *not* for teaching us how to make the world a better place — and those of us who long so strongly to improve the world often feel simply *lost* at the question of how to do so — what is it for? What is its worth? We can’t place a dollar amount on this type of worth, and that is a large part of the problem, because our society is losing all ability to measure anything in any other way.”

  • dan – i’m coming home june 16 and i’ll pretty much be staying in the city so that i can do my research.  we need to get coffee or something.  let me know when you’re around!

  • I just made my entry for you Dan (5/30/2004).  I hope you have a safe trip back! pz

  • Very interesting xanga. I’ll e-mail you sometime tomorrow about the information you requested. I’m not sure I’d like to be quoted or anything. I’ll think about it.

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